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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    The progression in 800Hz. horns is pretty much like this: 1)H-808 tar filled eight cell, 800Hz. horn, introduced with the Lansing Iconic in late 1937; 2) the foamed urethane version of the H-808 (as in the auction pair), two piece glued construction (identical upper and lower halves), used in the Model 800 VOTT of 1947 ; 3) two piece glued aluminum version (most rare!) apparently using the same casting molds as the urethane version; 4) two piece aluminum H-808 using flanges and fasteners at throat and mouth to hold upper and lower halves together; 5)one piece H-811 in 1953, followed soon after by two piece welded 811A and later 811B radial horns.

    Somewhere I have a service bulletin from 1947 stating that either a plastic or aluminum H-808 might be furnished with a Model 800 system. The urethane horns were replaced with the aluminum ASAP as they often fractured with the slightest rough handling or overtightening of the driver nuts.

    Todd if your horn is a urethane H-808 it is probably worth $600 to $1,000 if it is in good shape. Their sound is very close to the tar filled H-808, with the later aluminum horns sounding progressively more ringy.

    The move from the tar filled H-808 to the urethane version accompanied the change from the three stud to the two stud driver mounting. With the two identical halves of the cast horns and the flying buttresses supporting the driver mounting flange, it was no longer practical to use the three stud arrangement. Early Lansing 801 and 901 drivers used three studs, but almost all 802 drivers used the two stud mount. I have seen 802 drivers with three studs as well as tar filled H-808 horns with the larger two hole flange, so there were variants produced during the transition.

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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    Great info Steve, thanks!

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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    Quote Originally Posted by Panomaniac View Post
    Great info Steve, thanks!
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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    Quote Originally Posted by bowtie427ss View Post
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    I've been an AUB member since '06. To this day i am still awed by the amount of information that's freely dispensed here.

    Many of us owe a debt of gratitude to all of those Altec veterans who have maintained and willingly open their memory banks to us on a regular basis.

    I might just say: :thankU::thankU::thankU:
    I would like to second the sentiments of Bowtie here.Altec Lansing has always been the # 1 loudspeaker company for me personally, and I will always find the time to learn more about that wonderful company that has always been top-notch.And I find this board the best for all things Altec or audio in general and my favorite hands down Thanks Todd.

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    Thank You Steve great Info much appreciated.....

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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    I think the Mantas are much smoother sounding and image better as you move around in front of them. In other words, they don't "lobe" at all within their coverage pattern. Both designs can be EQed to sound great, but the Mantas get my vote for home hi-fi use. As a fringe benefit, they are usually much cheaper than the multi-cells, too.

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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    The midrange from a multicell is amazing...IMHO that is where they excel...

    The Mantaray gets the nod for control over the entire bandwidth...

    Were I going very low on the xover I would certainly go multicell....

    They are slightly different, with their individual pluses and minuses...

    Best often depends on usage...
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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    When I first got my A5's, they came with Manta's and 299's..... I loved the way the Mantra's imaged.

    About a year later I acquired a pair of 803B's , not only are it's Mids superb.....as previously stated,.... they also have a real coolness factor.

    Manta vs. Multicells .... You weight those two .........Multicells are heavier!


    P.S. I really wish I could have kept the 802D/ H-808 horn setup I bought as a package deal with my A5's. But for what I sold the H-808 setup for paid for my A5's and a couple cases of beer!

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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Guy View Post
    The midrange from a multicell is amazing...IMHO that is where they excel...

    The Mantaray gets the nod for control over the entire bandwidth...

    Were I going very low on the xover I would certainly go multicell....

    They are slightly different, with their individual pluses and minuses...

    Best often depends on usage...

    My new mancave will be done in about 3 weeks. Let me ask your opinion on your choice for a room about 45' x 30', 10 ' ceilings. I am planning on finally setting up my larger speakers including a pair of Simplex W's each loaded with a pair of 515's. To start with I have the tar filled Simplex crossovers which can be wired to attenuate the HF levels, and can also be set up for multiple HF units. I have no idea where they are designed to attenuate, but would guess from the 500Hz cutoff on the multicell horn it's prolly somewhere between 500 and 800 Hz.


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    I also have an active crossover that Tom Brennan gave me when I visited him in Chicago.

    Anyway, I have a choice between a number of large format horns, and am thinking about starting with either 1005 Tarfilleds or MR94B's. I think the W bins will wind up on the long wall about 40' apart, and the listening area will be centered about 25' perpendicular from the long wall. My choice of the drivers are (in large format) unrestored 288B's, 291-16B's converted/restored to 288-16G's by GPA, and what I think are 299's, unrestored. I could also go with the 1" to 1.4" adapter and go small format.

    Power would be provided by anything from a 45 SET flea amp up to Dynaco MK VI's in glass and vacuum, and lots of possibilities for silicon.

    Any suggestions on combinations, or even where to start?

    And let me also chime in with thanks to all the combined wisdom and experience that makes this undoubtedly the best Altec resource on the planet....:2thumbsup:
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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    1005 tar filled, for sure! Just ask A.B.

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    Re: Altec Manta-ray horns versus the legacy Altec multi-cell and sectorial horns

    I would do the multicells with 288G:2thumbsup:
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